{"id":301,"date":"2005-11-17T08:17:00","date_gmt":"2005-11-17T08:17:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/estrangements.com\/theblog\/2005\/11\/17\/memory_undoubte\/"},"modified":"2005-11-17T08:17:00","modified_gmt":"2005-11-17T08:17:00","slug":"memory_undoubte","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/estrangements.com\/theblog\/2005\/11\/17\/memory_undoubte\/","title":{"rendered":"<h2>Memory: Undoubtedly neither of us are right?<\/h2>"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>About 17 years ago my husband and I visited with an elderly couple who lived an hour&#8217;s drive north of here. They were a genteel and charming couple who had been married for a long time. The wife served us tea. The husband told us stories. Then he told us a story from which his wife&#8217;s memory differed. She corrected him. He disagreed with her. She disagreed with him. They went back and forth. My husband and I sat with our teacups, observing this dispute between two people we had just met. Then the wife turned to us, smiled, and said, &quot;Undoubtedly we are both right.&quot;<\/p>\n<p><!--more--><\/p>\n<p>We have remembered that couple and the wife&#8217;s statement ever since<br \/>\nand have used it on occasion when we have disagreed on the facts of a<br \/>\nstory in the same genial manner that the woman used when she said it 17<br \/>\nyears ago. She said it in a way that it was easy to believe that she<br \/>\nhad said it many times before. I loved how she brought that<br \/>\ndisagreement to a close. <\/p>\n<p>Ten years ago and also within the last week I have encountered the<br \/>\nfact that my memory and my daughter&#8217;s memory of things past differ. I<br \/>\nhave read that after divorces the two spouses often tell two different<br \/>\naccounts of what happened in their marriage as though they each<br \/>\nexperienced something entirely different from what the other<br \/>\nexperienced while living under the same roof. I am reminded of that.<\/p>\n<p>I have been tempted to defend myself point by point and to speculate<br \/>\non why we remember things so differently. In some cases I have no<br \/>\nmemory at all of something that she is saying that I did. Nor can I<br \/>\nbelieve that I could be capable of being so mean and then be able to<br \/>\nforget it. Her description of events is so negative that I would not<br \/>\nwant to meet the person she is describing because I would dislike that<br \/>\nperson so much. The person in these descriptions bears my name but it<br \/>\nisn&#8217;t the me that I know so well. Then I read that she says that her<br \/>\nstepmother has said, &quot;It wasn&#8217;t me,&quot; in reference to a separate account<br \/>\nthat my daughter gave of something that happened between the two of<br \/>\nthem. <\/p>\n<p>As soon as I typed, &quot;It isn&#8217;t the me that I know,&quot; I remembered what<br \/>\nmy daughter wrote about her stepmother and it gave me a different<br \/>\nperspective on my daughter&#8217;s perceptions of events and the people<br \/>\ninvolved. Typing those words &quot;it isn&#8217;t me&quot; and then leaving them here<br \/>\ndespite my daughter&#8217;s previous reaction to having heard something<br \/>\nsimilar from her stepmother is because it occurred to me that my<br \/>\ndaughter would interpret them specifically as me disclaiming<br \/>\nresponsibility for having done something bad. I am not saying<br \/>\ndisclaiming responsibility. I am saying that I did not do something bad<br \/>\nperiod.<\/p>\n<p>I can&#8217;t speak for my daughter&#8217;s stepmother. Speaking for myself, I<br \/>\nknow that when I say, &quot;it wasn&#8217;t the me that I know,&quot; I mean that I<br \/>\nknow that I am not a cruel horrible person and that the account that my<br \/>\ndaughter gives of events is not consistent with who I am and how I am<br \/>\nand what I am. <\/p>\n<p>Yet my daughter remembers things as though I was a cruel horrible<br \/>\nperson. She remembers a mother who harangued her to dive off a diving<br \/>\nboard and she was not a good swimmer. I have no memory of this. I am<br \/>\nnot a good swimmer and have never been good at diving off a diving<br \/>\nboard. I hate to get my face underwater. I can&#8217;t swim underwater. I<br \/>\nhave always been afraid of water. I am empathetic with anyone&#8217;s,<br \/>\nincluding my daughter&#8217;s, fear of water. <\/p>\n<p>I recall that my daughter is not a good swimmer. I have no memory of<br \/>\nseeing her on a diving board nor do I have a memory of haranguing her<br \/>\nto dive off a diving board. That kind of behavior is foreign to my<br \/>\nknowledge of myself and of anything that I would do. If she remembers<br \/>\nsomething related to a diving board and me and swimming and haranguing,<br \/>\nI have to say, &quot;it wasn&#8217;t me,&quot; because to my knowledge of myself, I<br \/>\nwouldn&#8217;t do something like what she is describing. If I was there and<br \/>\nsaid something, I can&#8217;t imagine that it was in the spirit of haranguing<br \/>\nor of demeaning her because she wouldn&#8217;t jump off. Can she ever<br \/>\nremember ME freely jumping off a diving board with no anxiety or of ME<br \/>\nswimming well? If so, that swimmer or diver absolutely could not have<br \/>\nbeen me in that memory because I am not capable of jumping off a diving<br \/>\nboard without coaxing and instruction and without anxiety. I would not<br \/>\ntreat my daughter or anyone else as though I expected them to be able<br \/>\nto jump freely off a diving board with no anxiety. <\/p>\n<p>The only memory I have of diving boards in my daughter&#8217;s childhood<br \/>\nis that there was one at the public swimming pool and at the lake where<br \/>\nI took her in the summer. I can&#8217;t recall her even approaching one to<br \/>\nstand on. <\/p>\n<p>I began to wish I knew more about her diving board memory because I<br \/>\nmight understand why she remembers it that way but I realize that<br \/>\nknowing more about the diving board memory would not tell me why she<br \/>\nremembers it the way that she does.<\/p>\n<p>When it comes to these memories that my daughter and I have, there is no way I can say, &quot;Undoubtedly we are both right.&quot;<\/p>\n<p>I do have many wonderful and positive memories of my daughter,<br \/>\nmyself, and my ex from when she was a kid and growing up. I wish that<br \/>\nshe had them too. I hope that she has at least some. It&#8217;s sad not to be<br \/>\nable to remember good things about people when they did happen.<\/p>\n<p>Snicks<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>About 17 years ago my husband and I visited with an elderly couple who lived an hour&#8217;s drive north of here. They were a genteel and charming couple who had been married for a long time. The wife served us tea. The husband told us stories. Then he told us a story from which his&#8230;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[5,69],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-301","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-for-parents","category-weblogs"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/estrangements.com\/theblog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/301","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/estrangements.com\/theblog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/estrangements.com\/theblog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/estrangements.com\/theblog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/estrangements.com\/theblog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=301"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/estrangements.com\/theblog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/301\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/estrangements.com\/theblog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=301"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/estrangements.com\/theblog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=301"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/estrangements.com\/theblog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=301"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}